My apologies the items have been put on a list to be collected. An inspector is going to your location to check the issue. Please refrain from name-calling we are all adults and we all make mistakes. We appreciate your patience.
Could you identify where I called you or anyone else a name?
Mistakes are seemingly made with alarming frequency when it comes to my recycling, and never rectified.
Paper is inside fence now because otherwise I'll get a ticket for leaving it out for collections that never come, inspectors that never materialize.
I am not looking to debate with you, but 4 lines up. Liar was stated. Either way, we will try and work with regional to have your items collected. Thank you.
A lie is an untruth, you told me my recycling had been picked up.
I have a problem, not so much with individual city employees although I could be forgiven if I did, but with a completely broken system that for ten years allowed recycling offences to be prosecuted under the wrong ordinance. I had to have been the first person to challenge that law because otherwise they would not have continued to use it for so long. The reason very few people challenge tickets is because of the expense, it takes one court appearance to plead not guilty, then at least one more to present your case. I say at least one more because what then happens is the inspector does not show and you are forced to take another day off work. That's just part of the pressure they put on you to force you to just pay the ticket, they do not want the expense of a trial.
The reason I fought this ticket so vehemently was this - I had actually put my recycling out on a monday by mistake but the ticket was issued to my tenant. I attempted to get the ticket changed into my name when I spoke to the prosecutor, he asked me if I was going to plead guilty. I refused to say because I did not see why allowing a Landlord attempting to take responsibility for his own actions instead of palming them off on his tenant should be contingent on whether or not I pled guilty. So the prosecutor said he would refuse to allow the ticket to be transferred to my name unless i pled guilty.
I went before the judge and explained myself to him, he instantly allowed the ticket to be changed into my name. The prosecutor had given me the impression that it was his decision alone in order to force me to just plead guilty.
I could not make the trial date due to work and I wrote a letter to the judge explaining myself and another court date was set. In the letter I outlined my experience thus far with the process including my admission that I had put my recycling out on the wrong day.
The day of the trial my initial judge is not there and my case is now being tried by the Chief Judge. During the trial the same prosecutor who attempted to use my concern for my tenant had somehow got his hands on the letter I had written to the judge in which i had admitted to putting my recycling out on the wrong day. I did not object to him reading it out in court, they had photos of my recycling but what they had not done was charge me under the correct ordinance. I was found not guilty and I presume the DPW was forced to change their practices.
The main difference between the two laws is that the one they were using could be applied to anyone living or visiting a home whereas the actual correct recycling law is very specific about the landlord being responsible for offences.
For ten years, actual dummies had been unfairly shifting the financial burden of recycling offences onto tenants and away from the legally responsible owners. They penalized the poor over the rich.
I saw that, I saw it was wrong and I took the time to prove it in a court of law when it was not in best interests as an individual or a landlord. I felt morally obligated.
The very next trash night after my victory my recycling was not picked up. I reported it and left it out for collection. They instead sent the SAME inspector who gave me the first ticket. He gave me a ticket for having my recycling out on the wrong day. I believe I was the first person charged under the law that I had only days earlier proven to be the correct law they ignored.
Again, a series of court appearances that resulted in the inspector never turning up and the case being dismissed against my wishes.
They've pretty much been targeting me ever since, going on two years.
So go ahead and register an account to call me a dummy, because I'm the dummy that beat the city without a lawyer and I'm going to do it again.
So, unsurprisingly. 5 days after putting it out for collection my recycling is still there. Amari's main concern is that I called him a liar when he said it was picked up.
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Jersey City, NJ (Verified Official)
Closed Division of Recycling & Enforcement - Amari (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
Items have not been collected. Why can i not get my recycling picked up?
Reopened Cromulon (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
Division of Recycling & Enforcement - Amari (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
Mistakes are seemingly made with alarming frequency when it comes to my recycling, and never rectified.
Paper is inside fence now because otherwise I'll get a ticket for leaving it out for collections that never come, inspectors that never materialize.
Acknowledged Division of Recycling & Enforcement - Amari (Registered User)
Jcjc (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
A lie is an untruth, you told me my recycling had been picked up.
I have a problem, not so much with individual city employees although I could be forgiven if I did, but with a completely broken system that for ten years allowed recycling offences to be prosecuted under the wrong ordinance. I had to have been the first person to challenge that law because otherwise they would not have continued to use it for so long. The reason very few people challenge tickets is because of the expense, it takes one court appearance to plead not guilty, then at least one more to present your case. I say at least one more because what then happens is the inspector does not show and you are forced to take another day off work. That's just part of the pressure they put on you to force you to just pay the ticket, they do not want the expense of a trial.
The reason I fought this ticket so vehemently was this - I had actually put my recycling out on a monday by mistake but the ticket was issued to my tenant. I attempted to get the ticket changed into my name when I spoke to the prosecutor, he asked me if I was going to plead guilty. I refused to say because I did not see why allowing a Landlord attempting to take responsibility for his own actions instead of palming them off on his tenant should be contingent on whether or not I pled guilty. So the prosecutor said he would refuse to allow the ticket to be transferred to my name unless i pled guilty.
I went before the judge and explained myself to him, he instantly allowed the ticket to be changed into my name. The prosecutor had given me the impression that it was his decision alone in order to force me to just plead guilty.
I could not make the trial date due to work and I wrote a letter to the judge explaining myself and another court date was set. In the letter I outlined my experience thus far with the process including my admission that I had put my recycling out on the wrong day.
The day of the trial my initial judge is not there and my case is now being tried by the Chief Judge. During the trial the same prosecutor who attempted to use my concern for my tenant had somehow got his hands on the letter I had written to the judge in which i had admitted to putting my recycling out on the wrong day. I did not object to him reading it out in court, they had photos of my recycling but what they had not done was charge me under the correct ordinance. I was found not guilty and I presume the DPW was forced to change their practices.
The main difference between the two laws is that the one they were using could be applied to anyone living or visiting a home whereas the actual correct recycling law is very specific about the landlord being responsible for offences.
For ten years, actual dummies had been unfairly shifting the financial burden of recycling offences onto tenants and away from the legally responsible owners. They penalized the poor over the rich.
I saw that, I saw it was wrong and I took the time to prove it in a court of law when it was not in best interests as an individual or a landlord. I felt morally obligated.
The very next trash night after my victory my recycling was not picked up. I reported it and left it out for collection. They instead sent the SAME inspector who gave me the first ticket. He gave me a ticket for having my recycling out on the wrong day. I believe I was the first person charged under the law that I had only days earlier proven to be the correct law they ignored.
Again, a series of court appearances that resulted in the inspector never turning up and the case being dismissed against my wishes.
They've pretty much been targeting me ever since, going on two years.
So go ahead and register an account to call me a dummy, because I'm the dummy that beat the city without a lawyer and I'm going to do it again.
Cromulon (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
Cromulon (Registered User)
I mean if the first lie was an honest mistake, what do you call the second one?
Closed Omni (Verified Official)